The half Saiyans

[Polks]

Due to their similar physiology, Saiyans and Humans are capable of interbreeding. While this was always possible, it became necessary for the survival of the Saiyan race when all the female Saiyans were killed by the Genocide of the Saiyans. The resulting offspring generally possess the same enhanced strengths of the Saiyans, developing their abilities far more easily than humans, but lack the same drive and instinct for combat. Hybrid Saiyans possess the potential to become Super Saiyans, but it is unclear how many generations removed from their Saiyan ancestor a hybrid can be before the transformation becomes unavailable to them. This is principally called into question because of Pan's supposed inability to transform as she is only quarter Saiyan, yet in the 100 year special, descendants of Goku and Vegeta are able to turn Super Saiyan, despite their Saiyan heritage being even more diluted than Pan's.

It is unclear if they possess a naturally greater potential than their Saiyan parents. Gohan repeatedly demonstrated a 'hidden' power that, when harnessed, made him more powerful than even Goku or Vegeta, and when he and Goku trained to battle Cell, he not only caught up to Goku, but overtook him even before making his Super Saiyan 2 transformation. Also, he, Trunks, and Goten were able to make the transformation to Super Saiyan at a far younger age then their parents, with Trunks and Goten showing such ease at obtaining the first form that they treated it almost like a "child's play thing". Goten and Trunks' fusion as Gotenks shows much, much more ease in obtaining even the final form, entering the Room of Spirit and Time whilst being unable to make the first transformation. In no more than about a half hour's time, they emerged as a fused Super Saiyan 3. In some Dragon Ball video games, this power is called Mixed Blood Power.

A Hybrid Saiyan's potential may be held in check by the fact they lack the same desire for combat as pure Saiyans, and thus tend not to train as much, in times of peace, as a pure Saiyan would. For example, Gohan actually became less powerful during the seven years between his battle with Cell and the emergence of Buu, allowing Goku and Vegeta to catch up to and then surpass him. It is also during this time that both Goku and Vegeta make the transformation to Super Saiyan 2 as Gohan did, with Goku surpassing it to ascend to Super Saiyan 3, the last form displayed in the canon manga.

Further, it is unknown if quarter Saiyans, such as Pan, have a lesser potential than half Saiyans or pure-blooded Saiyans due to their further diluted heritage or if their comparative weakness, exhibited by Pan, is simply the result of lacking the Saiyan drive to train coupled with growing up in peaceful times. The latter would seem more likely as Bulla, Vegeta's second child, appeared to be no stronger than Pan despite her stronger Saiyan heritage.

Due to Pan and Bulla's apparent weakness, and not demonstrating the ability to transform to Super Saiyan, it is unclear if female Saiyan hybrids are weaker than male ones or if this is simply a reflection of them lacking the same instincts as pure Saiyans combined with not finding themselves in a situation likely to trigger the transformation.

[cmaster17]

Due to their similar physiology, Saiyans and Humans are capable of interbreeding. While this was always possible, it became necessary for the survival of the Saiyan race when all the female Saiyans were killed by the Genocide of the Saiyans. The resulting offspring generally possess the same enhanced strengths of the Saiyans, developing their abilities far more easily than humans, but lack the same drive and instinct for combat. Hybrid Saiyans possess the potential to become Super Saiyans, but it is unclear how many generations removed from their Saiyan ancestor a hybrid can be before the transformation becomes unavailable to them. This is principally called into question because of Pan's supposed inability to transform as she is only quarter Saiyan, yet in the 100 year special, descendants of Goku and Vegeta are able to turn Super Saiyan, despite their Saiyan heritage being even more diluted than Pan's.

It is unclear if they possess a naturally greater potential than their Saiyan parents. Gohan repeatedly demonstrated a 'hidden' power that, when harnessed, made him more powerful than even Goku or Vegeta, and when he and Goku trained to battle Cell, he not only caught up to Goku, but overtook him even before making his Super Saiyan 2 transformation. Also, he, Trunks, and Goten were able to make the transformation to Super Saiyan at a far younger age then their parents, with Trunks and Goten showing such ease at obtaining the first form that they treated it almost like a "child's play thing". Goten and Trunks' fusion as Gotenks shows much, much more ease in obtaining even the final form, entering the Room of Spirit and Time whilst being unable to make the first transformation. In no more than about a half hour's time, they emerged as a fused Super Saiyan 3. In some Dragon Ball video games, this power is called Mixed Blood Power.

A Hybrid Saiyan's potential may be held in check by the fact they lack the same desire for combat as pure Saiyans, and thus tend not to train as much, in times of peace, as a pure Saiyan would. For example, Gohan actually became less powerful during the seven years between his battle with Cell and the emergence of Buu, allowing Goku and Vegeta to catch up to and then surpass him. It is also during this time that both Goku and Vegeta make the transformation to Super Saiyan 2 as Gohan did, with Goku surpassing it to ascend to Super Saiyan 3, the last form displayed in the canon manga.

Further, it is unknown if quarter Saiyans, such as Pan, have a lesser potential than half Saiyans or pure-blooded Saiyans due to their further diluted heritage or if their comparative weakness, exhibited by Pan, is simply the result of lacking the Saiyan drive to train coupled with growing up in peaceful times. The latter would seem more likely as Bulla, Vegeta's second child, appeared to be no stronger than Pan despite her stronger Saiyan heritage.

Due to Pan and Bulla's apparent weakness, and not demonstrating the ability to transform to Super Saiyan, it is unclear if female Saiyan hybrids are weaker than male ones or if this is simply a reflection of them lacking the same instincts as pure Saiyans combined with not finding themselves in a situation likely to trigger the transformation.

Can someone tell me what this is about? I couldn't read this long thing

[SSArga]

Can someone tell me what this is about? I couldn't read this long thing

i know

one look at this and i quit.

[geognisis]

well i read it and it was damn good, good job

[Maetrix]

YES I must say well done Polks ... i cant find the desire to spread and type up DBZ knowledge like that on here unless there is a prize. I enjoyed the read.

[Polks]

Thank you! Finally two people that didn't just say fuck it.

[Reno]

Nice, I really liked it.

[SSArga]

I think I read it I just cant remember

[Enkidu]

I don't think I saw this yet. Interesting info Polks!

[Jaing Ozaru]

So, in essense, hybrids are more powerful than saiyans?

[Narcissis]

I read it, I liked it, and I think you are right on by saying that it is just a lack of effort on the part of the Half Saiyans not being able to keep pace with full blooded Saiyans. I also think Gohan is a special case (he has a hidden inner strength) because Trunks never really surpasses Vegeta. I think the fact that little Trunks and Goten were able to go Super Saiyan as kids is just "Monkey See, Monkey Do" by that I mean they saw there parents do it and never grew up thinking it was impossible.

[smithi]

dam good read m8

[unununium]

I think that in general half-saiyans are better than those pure-blooded and the crucial difference is easier transformation. According to my memory before Goku there were very few SSJ so it proves how difficult it is for pure blooded saiyans to reach that level. On the other hand each (or almost each) hybrid reaches it. If the proportions from anime would match in the game probably average pure blooded will not be a SSJ and on the contrary average hybrid will be.
It's undeniable that the best pure blooded saiyan probably will be the best warrior among all races, but average hybrid will always be better than average pure blooded one.

[Narcissis]

I think its just in their blood. They had the advantage of having Super Saiyan parent.

[Jaing Ozaru]

In this game they are not better

[Roner]

In this game they are not better

And how would you know lol?

[Reno]

In the end full saiyans look like improved half saiyans, but I still think the halfies are better or at least equal to the full saiyans. I wanted to be a halfie this round anyway...

[Enkidu]

I just tried to stay away from Saiyan all together because it seemed like there were lots of them in the g ame already.

[Polks]

Well typically saiyans in the series were initially weaker than half saiyans. It depends on the parent. Gohan was born with a power level lower than Goku but at times it would be more than double Goku's. Gohan wasn't as strong as Vegeta because he was stronger than Goku by an incredible amount.

Half saiyan's are able to achieve super saiyan 2 much faster apparently. However it has been speculated that they cannot go past that. It could just be that they haven't tried. Really in the long run full saiyans are stronger than half saiyans.

[Hammy]

Though it may be long its very descriptive :D

[Kerunou]

Honestly I could care less about you halfies...either full or nothing is what this means to me.

[smithi]

naaaaaa....halfies ftw

[Kerunou]

Full saiyans...weve got our pride what do you have?

[Kenji]

Well lets see for instance....I have the powerlevel to kill you and smithi. PWND

[smithi]

you can't hurt me my pl is OVER NINE THAUSAAAAAAAAND.

[Kerunou]

Mine is 25,000

[Xersos]

Its true that half saiyans can transform faster than saiyans but i think that they can't go to the level beyond the super saiyan 2, only Goten and Trunks were able to do it because the were fused in the Gotenks.

[Druiden]

Wouldn't that fusion still consider them to have human and not full Saiyan blood in them though? So that would mean you're wrong kind sir they can go past they just forgot about them and focused on Vegeta and Goku more.

[Kerunou]

Honestly I think super saiyan 4 gohan and Trunks would be awesome
Trunks is a bad ass,he's got super saiyan and ultra super saiyan,which isn't much buy I think he would be pretty awesome of he went ss3 and ss4

[Xersos]

If they put both Goten Gohan and trunks ss4 there would be a bunch of godlike beins.

[Kerunou]

Well yes but I wish goku and vegeta didn't get all of the power like I would rather just goku and trunks have ss4 rather than vegeta.

[Xersos]

Well Vegeta was only shown once in his ss4 form, he become near the end of the series in the Dbz gt.

[Kerunou]

Yeah I know but,I would still have liked trunks to get hit eith the blitz wave cannon so he could transform.

[Brojen]

i read it and it makes sence except i know that from what i have read about GT. is the pan could and did have the posibility to turn SSJ. but she lackes the determing emotional factor that pushed the male Saiyans intot he rage and fury it took to make her go through the transformation. Hybrids have the gene that allows them the Zenkai ability but a full Saiyan is better then a hybrid IMO.

[smithi]

i like halfies cos they can do mostly what there pure blood parents can but sooner and trunks and goten should have gone ssj4 fusion not the parents....cos those 2 are the awsome fusioneers.

[Reno]

I forget the very end of GT, or just don't remember it clearly. Didn't Goten and Trunks, as adults, do the fusion dance and make Gotenks to fight Omega Shenron? I can remember a point where Uub was asking Trunks to fusion dance with him, but Trunks(Or someone like Bulma/Krillen on the sidelines) said it would take too long to teach him the dance, and both participants had to be about the same size and power, so it wouldn't work. I think that's about the time Uub and Buu fuse back together(Which I really liked).

[smithi]

no uub and buu fused a bit before that and goten and trunks didnt even have the energy to turn ssj after there fight with omega shenron. goku and vegeta both turned ssj4 and fused not goten and trunks.

[Reno]

Ah, too bad. I really wanted to see what adult Gotenks looked like.

[smithi]

same here m8.

[Brojen]

I belive from all the reading and research that i have encountered over the span of the internet. that halfies can gain power faster then a full blood only in the begining of life. such as gohan surpassing goku in the begining and he got to SS2 first. i think that the Halfies would only beable to get to SSJ3 and no further because of the strain it would place apon their bodies to have as much power as Goku in SSJ4. also being the fact he has the FB saiyan Zenkai he will always heal better then a halfie any time he is damaged. no contest. Full blood for the continuous power gain and the ability to not damage their bodys from the enormous strians the SSJ4 put on them.

[Brojen]

i like halfies cos they can do mostly what there pure blood parents can but sooner and trunks and goten should have gone ssj4 fusion not the parents....cos those 2 are the awsome fusioneers.

to answer to your if you remember the Pl of them when they was in normal comapred to they power in SSJ1. basically,they lacked the body space to hold the power they should have had. such as

Trunks- 35,000,000
SSJ1-95,000,000

Goten- 30,000,000
SSJ1- 90,000,000

this is the PL that was given on many sites for them. .

[Teen Gohan]

Just so everyone knows Gohan is actually stronger then Goku at the end of DBZ. I don't really like to talk about GT because it wasn't made by Akira Toriyama (Creator of DB and DBZ). So if we stick to DBZ Gohan is stronger than Goku. Which means originally a half-saiyan beats a full blooded saiyan.

[smithi]

thats true TG. i do think gt is no were near as good as db or z but i thought i should use it because they have ssh4 in this rpg.

[Reno]

to answer to your if you remember the Pl of them when they was in normal comapred to they power in SSJ1. basically,they lacked the body space to hold the power they should have had. such as

Trunks- 35,000,000
SSJ1-95,000,000

Goten- 30,000,000
SSJ1- 90,000,000

this is the PL that was given on many sites for them. .

A lot of sites just guess at what the powerlevels would be. I believe the last time a scouter gave a good reading was when Goku was at 180,000 during the Ginyu saga.
After that the final reading a scouter ever gives is on Trunks, with a powerlevel of 5(Which is also the first reading a scouter ever gives, Raditz using it on the farmer).
At one point Frieza mentions he's "over 1 million," and probably was, but that was just his words and no real reading from a scouter or anything.
After the Frieza saga, they really stop talking about powerlevel readings, so I don't think there are any official reading on Goku's powerlevel when he went Super Saiyan. Although, sometimes the makers of DB/DBZ released information in japan, not spoken in the series, in interviews... So I guess it is possible they revealed powerlevel numbers after they became obsolete.


Just so everyone knows Gohan is actually stronger then Goku at the end of DBZ. I don't really like to talk about GT because it wasn't made by Akira Toriyama (Creator of DB and DBZ). So if we stick to DBZ Gohan is stronger than Goku. Which means originally a half-saiyan beats a full blooded saiyan.

hmmmmm... I don't think gohan was better than Goku at the end of DBZ. Just my opinion though. At the end of DBZ when Goku takes Uub away to Kami's Lookout for training, I think it's pretty obvious Goku is better than anyone, including Gohan and Vegeta.
When Kid Buu is defeated, maybe...maybe Gohan was stronger than Goku. I just never thought that though. And if/when goku goes SSJ3, I have no doubt Goku is stronger. Again, just my opinion. I know after old supreme kai unlocks Gohan's "mystic" powers, he is a super bad ass, but I just don't think he was stronger than a SSJ3 Goku, and for sure wasn't stronger than Goku after years of sitting around between Kid Buu and the final DBZ world tournament with Ubb.

[craney]

I blaime chi chi dor forcing gohon to become a study geek instead of letting him train. :D

[Kerunou]

Okay fair enough.

[Teen Gohan]

hmmmmm... I don't think gohan was better than Goku at the end of DBZ. Just my opinion though. At the end of DBZ when Goku takes Uub away to Kami's Lookout for training, I think it's pretty obvious Goku is better than anyone, including Gohan and Vegeta.
When Kid Buu is defeated, maybe...maybe Gohan was stronger than Goku. I just never thought that though. And if/when goku goes SSJ3, I have no doubt Goku is stronger. Again, just my opinion. I know after old supreme kai unlocks Gohan's "mystic" powers, he is a super bad ass, but I just don't think he was stronger than a SSJ3 Goku, and for sure wasn't stronger than Goku after years of sitting around between Kid Buu and the final DBZ world tournament with Ubb.

So technically you are right that around the tournament Goku is stronger than Gohan, but the true end of the series is pretty much when kid buu was beaten. Everything after that was kind of epilogue. Anyway during the Buu saga when Gohan had his hidden power unlocked (Mystic Gohan), he was way stronger then Goku even if Goku would go SSJ3. Just look at it like this (I am going to skip straight to Super Buu) Mystic Gohan destroys Super Buu hands down, after Super Buu absorbs Gotenks and Piccolo does Super Buu even stand a chance against Mystic Gohan. So as some of you probably remember Mystic Gohan and Gotenks absorbed Super Buu (Gotenks Super Buu) Fight on par for awhile, and Gotenks Buu takes the upper hand when he uses Piccolo's knowledge of Gohan to take advantage of him (knowing all of Mystic Gohan's moves.) So to skip forward again to the part when Vegeta and Goku go inside Super Buu and rip Gohan, Trunks, Goten, and Piccolo out of those pod things. Right after They did that Goku even said "Even though he has gotten a lot weaker, if we go out there right now he is going to kill us." (Something along those lines anyway.) This means the Super Buu, Mystic Gohan was destroying is (according to Goku) stronger then both Him and Vegeta. I am pretty sure that makes Mystic Gohan stronger then SSJ3 Goku.

Source:http://www.watch-dragonball.com/watch/480-Dragonball_Z_Episode_260.html

(Skip to about 4 minutes, that is around the time Goku says that.)

[Brojen]

So technically you are right that around the tournament Goku is stronger than Gohan, but the true end of the series is pretty much when kid buu was beaten. Everything after that was kind of epilogue. Anyway during the Buu saga when Gohan had his hidden power unlocked (Mystic Gohan), he was way stronger then Goku even if Goku would go SSJ3. Just look at it like this (I am going to skip straight to Super Buu) Mystic Gohan destroys Super Buu hands down, after Super Buu absorbs Gotenks and Piccolo does Super Buu even stand a chance against Mystic Gohan. So as some of you probably remember Mystic Gohan and Gotenks absorbed Super Buu (Gotenks Super Buu) Fight on par for awhile, and Gotenks Buu takes the upper hand when he uses Piccolo's knowledge of Gohan to take advantage of him (knowing all of Mystic Gohan's moves.) So to skip forward again to the part when Vegeta and Goku go inside Super Buu and rip Gohan, Trunks, Goten, and Piccolo out of those pod things. Right after They did that Goku even said "Even though he has gotten a lot weaker, if we go out there right now he is going to kill us." (Something along those lines anyway.) This means the Super Buu, Mystic Gohan was destroying is (according to Goku) stronger then both Him and Vegeta. I am pretty sure that makes Mystic Gohan stronger then SSJ3 Goku.

Source:http://www.watch-dragonball.com/watch/480-Dragonball_Z_Episode_260.html

(Skip to about 4 minutes, that is around the time Goku says that.)

honestly if you want to go by the way Akira wanted to end the show was after Frieza. and Goku was the strongest and dead. fans in Japan cried about the end and begged for more so Akira made more episodes. either way if you go witht he way Zenkai is after Goku fought with Buu he would heal stronger then Gohan would and that be the end of the power levels being close. gohan was super bad ass with the mystic SS but he lacked the experience and fighting ability that Goku had and thus even if he was stronger then goku he would never haven beated his father.

[craney]

I've just remembered something that realy confused me in dbgt, In dbz when Gohon became mystic (Due to having his power unleashed) he was told that he could never go super sayain again because if he does he will die from the strain of power that would become inside him.

Yet in the dragonball gt series gohon turns ssj2, when they are all together fighting agains't baby (This is after they was released from baby's controll) anyone know why this happend?.

[smithi]

because it wasnt wrote by akira

[Reno]

Akira tried to kill Goku off many times in DBZ. I read before that he tried to make DBZ mainly about Goku's son, Gohan, but the fans loved Goku so much in DB, and DBZ, that he just never could get away with it... Many times during the series you see he tries to shift the attention over to Gohan, but it just doesn't stick.

[Kerunou]

No,it wasn't written by Akira but he did fund the projects and he has done multiple artworks and art books for Dragonball gt. If he wasn't okay with the extra series he wouldn't have let Gen Fucunaga direct or produce it.

[Brojen]

because it wasnt wrote by akira

thats the damned truth,lol.

No,it wasn't written by Akira but he did fund the projects and he has done multiple artworks and art books for Dragonball gt. If he wasn't okay with the extra series he wouldn't have let Gen Fucunaga direct or produce it.

thing is he did the character designs but he had nothing to do with the story he didnt want to do anything about it because he was done. he only funded it because it was still based on his fisrt two stories.

[Kerunou]

Yes granted it is the truth,akira had no opposition to another series he just wanted to take dbz and it's ending he was comfortable with the way it ended and he just didn't see the point in a third arc. Although since he didn't care he gave some funding and pointers to Gen Fucunaga the director/producer of the Db,Dbz,dbgt series.

[Brojen]

Yes granted it is the truth,akira had no opposition to another series he just wanted to take dbz and it's ending he was comfortable with the way it ended and he just didn't see the point in a third arc. Although since he didn't care he gave some funding and pointers to Gen Fucunaga the director/producer of the Db,Dbz,dbgt series.

yes but im sure they fired that guy after he killed the saga with GT,lol. my buddy here in Japan says he dont even acknowledge GT as a Dragon Ball series.lol.

[Enkidu]

Wow...that's pretty funny. I haven't seen the GT series personally. Am I not missing much?

[Brojen]

Wow...that's pretty funny. I haven't seen the GT series personally. Am I not missing much?

it would be just as good as a hole in the head. except with GT you get dumber after watching how they messed all that was DBZ and sacred up.






...oh and vegeta had a mustache


Kerunou personally from what i have read and talked to with other DBZ persons that live and breath the show literally, said that by the way your comparing Toriyama's link to GT. dragon quest had more to do with DBZ then GT could by the aspect that Toriyama drew the characters.

[Kerunou]

Ha good one brojen,honestly I see dbgt as the 3rd arc because it has the words dragonball in it other wise I don't see a reason to consider it partial to the series.Vegeta only has a mustache for 1 saga. It isn't a total flop of the series there are extremely retarded aspects of it but regardless,at least look up and watch theses three clips.

goku's ss4 transformation.

Pans first kamehameha by herself

vegeta's ss4 transformation.

Other than those fine 25 to 30 second clips you aren't missing anything from Dragonball GT.

[Brojen]

Ha good one brojen,honestly I see dbgt as the 3rd arc because it has the words dragonball in it other wise I don't see a reason to consider it partial to the series.Vegeta only has a mustache for 1 saga. It isn't a total flop of the series there are extremely retarded aspects of it but regardless,at least look up and watch theses three clips.

goku's ss4 transformation.

Pans first kamehameha by herself

vegeta's ss4 transformation.

Other than those fine 25 to 30 second clips you aren't missing anything from Dragonball GT.

thats all the truth too,lol. but either way. it just didnt have the Toriyama umph that made the others great. if he wrote GT it would have been 1000 times better then the garbage that the director made. i bet he commited Sepiku after GT came out because Toriyama's work was ruined by GT. not fully but you get the picture right?

[Polks]

Guys guys guys... this is an information topic. Let's have a discussion in a different more controversial topic and I will change whatever is confirmed to be false...

How did we even get into DBGT from a topic about half saiyans?

[craney]

lol it sort of just happend m8, anyway how you doing i ain't talked to you for a while

[Brojen]

Guys guys guys... this is an information topic. Let's have a discussion in a different more controversial topic and I will change whatever is confirmed to be false...

How did we even get into DBGT from a topic about half saiyans?

you owuld have to read far back to get the why i think,lol.

[deadbolt]

Nice liked it

[Kerunou]

DBGT sucks,alright. The arc isnt exactly canon to the series either, There are like 3 or 4 parts where it TRIED to have the toriyama umph,of course they failed but still they gave an effort. there are 3 clips I like other than that,DONT WATCH DBGT!!!!

[Reno]

Mama said DBGT is the Devil!

[Kenji]

Your the devil Colonel Reno.

[Kerunou]

Your the devil Colonel Reno.

DAmned straight

[Druiden]

He's not the devil he just plays one in an rpg.

[Legendarey sayain]

Due to their similar physiology, Saiyans and Humans are capable of interbreeding. While this was always possible, it became necessary for the survival of the Saiyan race when all the female Saiyans were killed by the Genocide of the Saiyans. The resulting offspring generally possess the same enhanced strengths of the Saiyans, developing their abilities far more easily than humans, but lack the same drive and instinct for combat. Hybrid Saiyans possess the potential to become Super Saiyans, but it is unclear how many generations removed from their Saiyan ancestor a hybrid can be before the transformation becomes unavailable to them. This is principally called into question because of Pan's supposed inability to transform as she is only quarter Saiyan, yet in the 100 year special, descendants of Goku and Vegeta are able to turn Super Saiyan, despite their Saiyan heritage being even more diluted than Pan's.

It is unclear if they possess a naturally greater potential than their Saiyan parents. Gohan repeatedly demonstrated a 'hidden' power that, when harnessed, made him more powerful than even Goku or Vegeta, and when he and Goku trained to battle Cell, he not only caught up to Goku, but overtook him even before making his Super Saiyan 2 transformation. Also, he, Trunks, and Goten were able to make the transformation to Super Saiyan at a far younger age then their parents, with Trunks and Goten showing such ease at obtaining the first form that they treated it almost like a "child's play thing". Goten and Trunks' fusion as Gotenks shows much, much more ease in obtaining even the final form, entering the Room of Spirit and Time whilst being unable to make the first transformation. In no more than about a half hour's time, they emerged as a fused Super Saiyan 3. In some Dragon Ball video games, this power is called Mixed Blood Power.

A Hybrid Saiyan's potential may be held in check by the fact they lack the same desire for combat as pure Saiyans, and thus tend not to train as much, in times of peace, as a pure Saiyan would. For example, Gohan actually became less powerful during the seven years between his battle with Cell and the emergence of Buu, allowing Goku and Vegeta to catch up to and then surpass him. It is also during this time that both Goku and Vegeta make the transformation to Super Saiyan 2 as Gohan did, with Goku surpassing it to ascend to Super Saiyan 3, the last form displayed in the canon manga.

Further, it is unknown if quarter Saiyans, such as Pan, have a lesser potential than half Saiyans or pure-blooded Saiyans due to their further diluted heritage or if their comparative weakness, exhibited by Pan, is simply the result of lacking the Saiyan drive to train coupled with growing up in peaceful times. The latter would seem more likely as Bulla, Vegeta's second child, appeared to be no stronger than Pan despite her stronger Saiyan heritage.

Due to Pan and Bulla's apparent weakness, and not demonstrating the ability to transform to Super Saiyan, it is unclear if female Saiyan hybrids are weaker than male ones or if this is simply a reflection of them lacking the same instincts as pure Saiyans combined with not finding themselves in a situation likely to trigger the transformation.

Seriously dude that is awesome info thanx for posting it, I learned a lot.

[cmaster17]

Dude..why'd you quote the whole thing?
Do you know how much scrolling that is?! From a cellphone?!

[Kerunou]

haha

[moyers]

Maybe super saiyan is only for males. In the show weve never seen a female super saiyan.

[Nashizal]

Maybe super saiyan is only for males. In the show weve never seen a female super saiyan.

1) Japan was for a while very non-female friendly

2) DB/Z was mainly targeted towards males

3) Part of 1&2 here, A good female fighter, blasphemy! Notice how even Videl was a great fighter but her roll was made to look like she was weak?

4) Can you imagine a female SSJ who had long hair? (Ya here comes the SSJ Raditz jokes)

[Epyon]

1) Japan was for a while very non-female friendly

2) DB/Z was mainly targeted towards males

3) Part of 1&2 here, A good female fighter, blasphemy! Notice how even Videl was a great fighter but her roll was made to look like she was weak?

4) Can you imagine a female SSJ who had long hair? (Ya here comes the SSJ Raditz jokes)

Or SS3 jokes. Videl was good, but compared to the saiyans and other aliens she was crap. Humans just couldn't get to where they were.

Regardless, it's true that Japan and Asian cultures in general prioritize males over females. None of the characters in the main show were females though, and in DBGT...well, it's DBGT.

[Mado]

Wasn't Goku's voice done by a woman in Japan?

[Nashizal]

Wasn't Goku's voice done by a woman in Japan?

Yes it was Masako Nozawa who originally was Goku's voice in the Dragon Ball series.. Not sure about DBZ off hand though. But the funny thing is I remember Goku sounding more girlish in the subs back in the day and Freiza sounding defiantly like a guy.
Though in the US Dubs... Goku sounded like a guy and Freiza suddenly turned into a flaming homosexual, go figure :confused:

[ash]

when i first saw frieza i wodered what the h*ll was up with his lips turns out he sounds like my little sister when she didn't get tucked into bed

[Nashizal]

I just accounted it to Freiza that if you look at the other parts of him, his lip color is utterly natural (Like the top of his head and then his later forms shoulders, chest ext.)'


Though I sometimes wonder if he is actually wearing armor or if when he adopted his current weakest form he styled himself to look like he was wearing armor of some sorts.

I guess it is one of those fun things no one ever put thought into when he transformed but the more intellectual people go "Wait, something is off here"
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/7094/216496-freezaforms_super.jpg

BUT back on topic, girls have almost never been seen as warriors in the past. They were suppose to be keepers of the house ext (male stereotype ftl)... Ever notice how Chi Chi (Yes I know her name translates into mother or some such) goes from a fighter in DB to a devoted house wife in DBZ and the only time you see her fight is when her home/child is threatened as any good wife should do?

*coughs* Ya anyways, Female SSJs are possible in my mind, just the social structure never allowed Pan and Bulla to ever need to learn to fight.
As for the halfies bit, most lacked the drive to fight like Goku or Vegeta nor the social drive like either. If you notice Gohan and Trunks both liked fighting but were both pushed more towards acting like a normal human and pursuing a normal life and job that brought the family money, but when they were pushed to fight and grow they both took too it and excelled better then either human(friends) or saiyan parents with respect. Vegeta likely would have been able to keep up with Goku in all forms if his pride hadn't kept him distant and they trained together (But this is more a personal thought then a noticeable fact)

[ash]

one last thing frieza's first form has a scouter but no screen what's up with that now??????:eek:

[Nashizal]

one last thing frieza's first form has a scouter but no screen what's up with that now??????:eek:

Actually his scouter did have the display but that is a artist BooBoo, so ignore that fact, but as for visual for the bodies it works great as they did keep his features the same,

[smithi]

in my mind also i think that super saiyan females are possible. generally because they genetic make up and structure would be very close to that of the males so that would mean they could both potentialy achieve the gains from doing the same things.

[ash]

well females are also warriors so they should be able to. like fasha if she was born like broly then she could go to be a ssj too

[Nashizal]

in my mind also i think that super saiyan females are possible. generally because they genetic make up and structure would be very close to that of the males so that would mean they could both potentialy achieve the gains from doing the same things.

I have to agree completely, Fasha was the only female saiyan really seen and she was obviously a capable warrior considering she was part of the team Freiza considered to be a growing threat since they were "Low-Class" warriors and were out classing some of Freiza's more elite warriors at the time in completing missions they deemed "Imposable"

[Legendarey sayain]

Dude..why'd you quote the whole thing?
Do you know how much scrolling that is?! From a cellphone?!

ssssssorrrrrrrrrry.....